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Inscrit le: 22 Fév 2004
Messages: 1365
Localisation: Namur, Belgique
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Mercredi 25 Mars 2009 23:15:49 |
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kikou Cricri,
mon fichier log et ci-dessous une capture du mixer qui chez moi ne plante pas : 
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25/03 22:48:08.245: Application closed.
25/03 22:48:45.333: Starting K!TV 2.4.0.2 (compiled on Jun 13 2005)
25/03 22:48:45.369: Système audio
25/03 22:48:45.490: Haut-parleurs (Realtek High Def
25/03 22:48:45.508: Realtek Digital Output (Realtek
25/03 22:48:45.540: Haut-parleurs (Realtek High Def
25/03 22:48:45.571: Volume non défini
25/03 22:48:45.602: Système
25/03 22:48:45.632: Processeur 586
25/03 22:48:45.665: Nombre 2
25/03 22:48:45.696: Multi-Processeur
25/03 22:48:45.726: Main-CPU 0
25/03 22:48:45.757: Plugin-CPU 1
25/03 22:48:45.790: Matériel
25/03 22:48:45.821: PlatformId=2 MajorVersion=6 MinorVersion=0
25/03 22:48:45.821: Service Pack 2, v.286
25/03 22:48:45.821: Unknown Windows NT
25/03 22:48:45.851: CPU : 2135.162842 MHz Intel, MMX, MMX-EXT, SSE, SSE2
25/03 22:48:45.851: Initialisation de NexTView EPG
25/03 22:48:45.883: Chargement plugin Plugins/NextViewPlugin.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.884: Chargement de tous les plugins
25/03 22:48:45.914: Chargement plugin DI_Standard.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.915: Chargement plugin DI_BlendedClip.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.916: Chargement plugin DI_Bob.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.917: Chargement plugin DI_EvenOnly.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.917: Chargement plugin DI_Greedy.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.918: Chargement plugin DI_Greedy2Frame.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.920: Chargement plugin DI_GreedyH.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.921: Chargement plugin DI_MoComp2.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.922: Chargement plugin DI_OddOnly.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.923: Chargement plugin DI_OldGame.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.923: Chargement plugin DI_ScalerBob.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.924: Chargement plugin DI_TomsMoComp.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.925: Chargement plugin DI_TwoFrame.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.926: Chargement plugin DI_VideoBob.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.927: Chargement plugin DI_VideoWeave.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.928: Chargement plugin DI_Weave.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.930: Chargement plugin FLT_AdaptiveNoise.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.930: Chargement plugin FLT_BlackWhite.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.931: Chargement plugin FLT_Chroma.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.932: Chargement plugin FLT_Colorimetry.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.933: Chargement plugin FLT_ColourInversion.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.934: Chargement plugin FLT_Gamma.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.935: Chargement plugin FLT_GradualNoise.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.936: Chargement plugin FLT_Histogram.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.937: Chargement plugin FLT_LinearCorrection.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.939: Chargement plugin FLT_LogoKill.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.940: Chargement plugin FLT_LuminChromaShift.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.941: Chargement plugin FLT_Mirror.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.942: Chargement plugin FLT_Sharpness.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.943: Chargement plugin FLT_TemporalComb.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.944: Chargement plugin FLT_TNoise.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.945: Warning in plugin Plugins/K_Compressor.dll: Can't find GetPtrIDManager
25/03 22:48:45.946: Warning in plugin Plugins/K_Compressor.dll: Can't find GetPtrShortcutManager
25/03 22:48:45.946: Chargement plugin K_Compressor.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.948: Warning in plugin Plugins/K_Mozaic.dll: Can't find GetPtrIDManager
25/03 22:48:45.948: Warning in plugin Plugins/K_Mozaic.dll: Can't find GetPtrShortcutManager
25/03 22:48:45.948: Chargement plugin K_Mozaic.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.950: Warning in plugin Plugins/K_SnapsHot.dll: Can't find GetPtrIDManager
25/03 22:48:45.950: Warning in plugin Plugins/K_SnapsHot.dll: Can't find GetPtrShortcutManager
25/03 22:48:45.951: Chargement plugin K_SnapsHot.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.952: Warning in plugin Plugins/K_Soustitre01.dll: Can't find GetPtrIDManager
25/03 22:48:45.953: Warning in plugin Plugins/K_Soustitre01.dll: Can't find GetPtrShortcutManager
25/03 22:48:45.953: Chargement plugin K_Soustitre01.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.956: Warning in plugin Plugins/K_ZoomOut.dll: Can't find GetPtrIDManager
25/03 22:48:45.956: Warning in plugin Plugins/K_ZoomOut.dll: Can't find GetPtrShortcutManager
25/03 22:48:45.957: Chargement plugin K_ZoomOut.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:45.957: Video plugin 0 loaded (Greedy 2 Frame)
25/03 22:48:45.959: Démarrage de la source de capture
25/03 22:48:45.992: CUtil::GetOSInfos: déjà calculé
25/03 22:48:45.992: Monitor 0 : Pilote d'affichage principal
25/03 22:48:46.128: DirectDrawCreate OK
25/03 22:48:46.128: Overlay and OverlayStrech detected
25/03 22:48:46.148: CWDM_Source::CWDM_Source() CoInitializeEx=0
25/03 22:48:46.148: CWDM_Source::CWDM_Source() CoInitializeEx=1
25/03 22:48:46.164: Video source 0 : Pinnacle PCTV 310i BDA Analog Capture
25/03 22:48:46.170: Using video source 0 : Pinnacle PCTV 310i BDA Analog Capture
25/03 22:48:46.412: DEBUT -> Crossbar filtre [ Video capture source filter ]
25/03 22:48:46.412: Input pins : 10
25/03 22:48:46.413: Video in : Video Tuner Ref 00, Idx 00, Related 03
25/03 22:48:46.413: Video in : Video Composite Ref 01, Idx 01, Related 04
25/03 22:48:46.413: Video in : Video SVideo Ref 02, Idx 02, Related 05
25/03 22:48:46.414: Audio in : Audio Tuner Ref 00, Idx 03, Related 00
25/03 22:48:46.414: Audio in : Audio Line Ref 01, Idx 04, Related 01
25/03 22:48:46.414: Audio in : Audio Line Ref 02, Idx 05, Related 02
25/03 22:48:46.414: Video in : Video Composite Ref 03, Idx 06, Related 08
25/03 22:48:46.414: Video in : Video SVideo Ref 04, Idx 07, Related 09
25/03 22:48:46.414: Audio in : Audio Line Ref 03, Idx 08, Related 06
25/03 22:48:46.415: Audio in : Audio Line Ref 04, Idx 09, Related 07
25/03 22:48:46.415: Output pins : 02
25/03 22:48:46.415: Video out : Video Decoder Ref 00, Idx 00, Related 01
25/03 22:48:46.416: Audio out : Audio Decoder Ref 00, Idx 01, Related 00
25/03 22:48:46.416: FIN -> Crossbar filtre [ Video capture source filter ]
25/03 22:48:46.549: Error: ManageVideoPort(): (E_FAIL (0x80004005)): An undetermined error occurred
25/03 22:48:46.549: Error: ManageColorConverter(): (E_FAIL (0x80004005)): An undetermined error occurred
25/03 22:48:46.558: Using audio source 0 : Pinnacle PCTV 310i BDA Analog Capture
25/03 22:48:46.668: Tuner found
25/03 22:48:46.677: DEBUT -> SetVideoFormat(-)
25/03 22:48:46.678: --- m_StreamConfig->GetNumberOfCapabilities(7,128) ---
25/03 22:48:46.678: ----- m_StreamConfig->GetStreamCaps(-) -----
25/03 22:48:46.678: yuy2
25/03 22:48:46.679: Compression 844715353/844715353
25/03 22:48:46.679: BitCount 16/16
25/03 22:48:46.679: AvgTPF 333667/400000
25/03 22:48:46.680: videoStd raw:2097143 262144/262144
25/03 22:48:46.680: ----- m_StreamConfig->GetStreamCaps(-) -----
25/03 22:48:46.681: ----- m_StreamConfig->GetStreamCaps(-) -----
25/03 22:48:46.681: uyvy
25/03 22:48:46.681: Compression 1498831189/844715353
25/03 22:48:46.682: BitCount 16/16
25/03 22:48:46.682: AvgTPF 333667/400000
25/03 22:48:46.682: videoStd raw:2097143 262144/262144
25/03 22:48:46.683: ----- m_StreamConfig->GetStreamCaps(-) -----
25/03 22:48:46.683: uyvy
25/03 22:48:46.683: Compression 1498831189/844715353
25/03 22:48:46.684: BitCount 16/16
25/03 22:48:46.684: AvgTPF 333667/400000
25/03 22:48:46.684: videoStd raw:0 0/262144
25/03 22:48:46.685: ----- m_StreamConfig->GetStreamCaps(-) -----
25/03 22:48:46.685: rgb32
25/03 22:48:46.686: Compression 0/844715353
25/03 22:48:46.686: BitCount 32/16
25/03 22:48:46.686: AvgTPF 333667/400000
25/03 22:48:46.687: videoStd raw:2097143 262144/262144
25/03 22:48:46.687: ----- m_StreamConfig->GetStreamCaps(-) -----
25/03 22:48:46.687: rgb24
25/03 22:48:46.688: Compression 0/844715353
25/03 22:48:46.688: BitCount 24/16
25/03 22:48:46.688: AvgTPF 333667/400000
25/03 22:48:46.689: videoStd raw:2097143 262144/262144
25/03 22:48:46.689: ----- m_StreamConfig->GetStreamCaps(-) -----
25/03 22:48:46.690: rgb555
25/03 22:48:46.690: Compression 0/844715353
25/03 22:48:46.690: BitCount 16/16
25/03 22:48:46.691: AvgTPF 333667/400000
25/03 22:48:46.691: videoStd raw:2097143 262144/262144
25/03 22:48:46.692: --- No Compatible Format Found. Trying ignoring AvgTimePerFrame ---
25/03 22:48:46.692: --- Video format : yuy2 FOUND (ignoring AvgTimePerFrame) ---
25/03 22:48:46.693: Video format : yuy2
25/03 22:48:46.693: 768x576
25/03 22:48:46.694: 756x576
25/03 22:48:46.694: 754x576
25/03 22:48:46.694: 720x576
25/03 22:48:46.695: 704x576
25/03 22:48:46.695: 696x576
25/03 22:48:46.695: 640x576
25/03 22:48:46.696: 512x576
25/03 22:48:46.696: 384x576
25/03 22:48:46.696: 352x576
25/03 22:48:46.697: 320x576
25/03 22:48:46.697: 720x480
25/03 22:48:46.698: 640x480
25/03 22:48:46.698: 720x288
25/03 22:48:46.698: 640x288
25/03 22:48:46.699: 384x288
25/03 22:48:46.699: 352x288
25/03 22:48:46.699: 720x240
25/03 22:48:46.700: 640x240
25/03 22:48:46.700: 352x240
25/03 22:48:46.700: 320x240
25/03 22:48:46.701: 240x180
25/03 22:48:46.701: 176x144
25/03 22:48:46.701: 160x120
25/03 22:48:46.702: FIN -> SetVideoFormat(-)
25/03 22:48:46.722: Get Video Frame Grabber Input pin buffers -> Number: 5, Size: 884736, Align: 1, Prefix: 0,
25/03 22:48:46.723: Set Video Frame Grabber Input pin buffers (Cur/Req) -> Number: 5/5, Size: 884736/884736, Align:
1/1, Prefix: 0/0,
25/03 22:48:46.738: Get VBI Frame Grabber Input pin buffers -> Number: 3, Size: 28800, Align: 1, Prefix: 0,
25/03 22:48:46.738: ActualLineStartTime=1022, ActualLineEndTime=6356, BufferSize=28800, SamplesPerLine=1440,
StrideInBytes=1600, StartLine=6, EndLine=23, MinLineStartTime=1022, MaxLineStartTime=1022,
SamplingFrequency=27000000, VideoStandard=16
25/03 22:48:46.739: Set VBI Frame Grabber Input pin buffers (Cur/Req) -> Number: 10/10, Size: 28800/28800, Align:
1/1, Prefix: 0/0,
25/03 22:48:46.741: Chargement plugin S_WDM.dll avec succès
25/03 22:48:46.741: Pinnacle PCTV 310i BDA Analog Capture trouvé
25/03 22:48:46.855: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:48:47.166: Démarrage de la capture
25/03 22:48:47.306: Start_Capture...
25/03 22:48:47.367: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:48:47.667: Filter Video Frame Grabber : Buffer 0 found (#9b70000)
25/03 22:48:47.890: Filter VBI Frame Grabber : Buffer 0 found (#261f480)
25/03 22:48:47.891: Filter Video Frame Grabber : Buffer 1 found (#9a98000)
25/03 22:48:47.891: Filter VBI Frame Grabber : Buffer 1 found (#2618400)
25/03 22:48:47.892: Filter Video Frame Grabber : Buffer 2 found (#99c0000)
25/03 22:48:47.892: Filter VBI Frame Grabber : Buffer 2 found (#2611380)
25/03 22:48:47.893: Filter Video Frame Grabber : Buffer 3 found (#98e8000)
25/03 22:48:47.893: Filter VBI Frame Grabber : Buffer 3 found (#260a300)
25/03 22:48:47.893: Filter Video Frame Grabber : Buffer 4 found (#9810000)
25/03 22:48:47.894: Filter VBI Frame Grabber : Buffer 4 found (#2603280)
25/03 22:48:47.894: Filter Video Frame Grabber : Buffer ready
25/03 22:48:47.895: Filter VBI Frame Grabber : Buffer 5 found (#25fc200)
25/03 22:48:47.896: Filter VBI Frame Grabber : Buffer 6 found (#25f5180)
25/03 22:48:47.897: Filter VBI Frame Grabber : Buffer 7 found (#25ee100)
25/03 22:48:47.897: Filter VBI Frame Grabber : Buffer 8 found (#25e7080)
25/03 22:48:47.898: Filter VBI Frame Grabber : Buffer 9 found (#25e0000)
25/03 22:48:47.898: Filter VBI Frame Grabber : Buffer ready
25/03 22:49:05.887: Hardware initialization succeeded
25/03 22:50:30.926: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:50:40.877: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:50:46.166: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:50:51.683: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:50:56.208: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:51:06.207: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:51:17.701: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:51:23.885: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:51:28.231: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:51:32.751: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:51:44.793: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:51:54.826: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:52:00.551: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:55:33.643: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:55:42.088: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:55:53.108: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:55:58.182: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:56:02.978: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:56:08.412: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:56:20.399: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:56:25.472: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:56:48.768: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:56:53.344: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:56:58.684: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:57:04.537: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:57:25.653: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:57:30.295: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:57:35.952: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:57:41.043: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:57:47.128: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:57:53.359: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:58:02.650: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:58:15.065: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:58:20.316: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:58:27.791: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:58:33.267: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:58:39.947: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:58:51.700: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:58:58.158: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:59:03.620: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:59:14.417: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:59:19.676: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:59:25.909: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:59:31.599: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 22:59:38.717: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 23:00:09.276: Max:768/576 Current:768/576
25/03 23:00:16.419:
25/03 23:00:16.420: Closing K!TV ...
25/03 23:00:16.420: Stopping timers...................................
25/03 23:00:16.421: OK
25/03 23:00:16.421: Stopping Nextview.................................
25/03 23:00:16.422: OK
25/03 23:00:16.422: Stopping video thread.............................
25/03 23:00:16.437: Exiting Processing_Thread loop
25/03 23:00:16.533: OK
25/03 23:00:16.533: StoppingVBI.......................................
25/03 23:00:16.534: OK
25/03 23:00:16.534: Stopping Audio and Mixer..........................
25/03 23:00:16.621: OK
25/03 23:00:16.622: Saving INI file...................................
25/03 23:00:16.627: OK
25/03 23:00:16.628: Unloading plugins.................................
25/03 23:00:16.629: Unloading plugin DI_Standard.dll
25/03 23:00:16.630: Unloading plugin DI_BlendedClip.dll
25/03 23:00:16.636: Unloading plugin DI_Bob.dll
25/03 23:00:16.636: Unloading plugin DI_EvenOnly.dll
25/03 23:00:16.636: Unloading plugin DI_Greedy.dll
25/03 23:00:16.637: Unloading plugin DI_Greedy2Frame.dll
25/03 23:00:16.638: Unloading plugin DI_GreedyH.dll
25/03 23:00:16.644: Unloading plugin DI_MoComp2.dll
25/03 23:00:16.644: Unloading plugin DI_OddOnly.dll
25/03 23:00:16.645: Unloading plugin DI_OldGame.dll
25/03 23:00:16.646: Unloading plugin DI_ScalerBob.dll
25/03 23:00:16.646: Unloading plugin DI_TomsMoComp.dll
25/03 23:00:16.648: Unloading plugin DI_TwoFrame.dll
25/03 23:00:16.649: Unloading plugin DI_VideoBob.dll
25/03 23:00:16.650: Unloading plugin DI_VideoWeave.dll
25/03 23:00:16.651: Unloading plugin DI_Weave.dll
25/03 23:00:16.652: Unloading plugin FLT_AdaptiveNoise.dll
25/03 23:00:16.655: Unloading plugin FLT_BlackWhite.dll
25/03 23:00:16.655: Unloading plugin FLT_Chroma.dll
25/03 23:00:16.657: Unloading plugin FLT_Colorimetry.dll
25/03 23:00:16.657: Unloading plugin FLT_ColourInversion.dll
25/03 23:00:16.658: Unloading plugin FLT_Gamma.dll
25/03 23:00:16.660: Unloading plugin FLT_GradualNoise.dll
25/03 23:00:16.661: Unloading plugin FLT_Histogram.dll
25/03 23:00:16.662: Unloading plugin FLT_LinearCorrection.dll
25/03 23:00:16.665: Unloading plugin FLT_LogoKill.dll
25/03 23:00:16.669: Unloading plugin FLT_LuminChromaShift.dll
25/03 23:00:16.670: Unloading plugin FLT_Mirror.dll
25/03 23:00:16.670: Unloading plugin FLT_Sharpness.dll
25/03 23:00:16.671: Unloading plugin FLT_TemporalComb.dll
25/03 23:00:16.674: Unloading plugin FLT_TNoise.dll
25/03 23:00:16.676: Unloading plugin K_Compressor.dll
25/03 23:00:16.676: Unloading plugin K_Mozaic.dll
25/03 23:00:16.677: Unloading plugin K_SnapsHot.dll
25/03 23:00:16.677: Unloading plugin K_Soustitre01.dll
25/03 23:00:16.678: Unloading plugin K_ZoomOut.dll
25/03 23:00:16.678: OK
25/03 23:00:16.678: Stopping Source...................................
25/03 23:00:16.679: Stopping Video source.............................
25/03 23:00:16.679: Unloading plugin S_WDM.dll
25/03 23:00:16.716: Stopping Video source; ExitCapture Ok
25/03 23:00:16.745: OK
25/03 23:00:16.745: Stopping Display..................................
25/03 23:00:16.745: Stopping DirectDraw...............................
25/03 23:00:16.806: OK
25/03 23:00:16.807: Unloading RichEdit................................
25/03 23:00:16.807: OK
25/03 23:00:16.807: Closing PluginsMutex..............................
25/03 23:00:16.808: OK
25/03 23:00:16.808: Application closed.
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Cricri
Dévelo
Inscrit le: 06 Avr 2002
Messages: 11926
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Jeudi 26 Mars 2009 08:06:05 |
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T'as simplement de la chance que le mixer ne vautre pas ... 
Quand à la mémorisation des chaines, je ne vois pas ...
Le Friendlyname semble correct : "Pinnacle PCTV 310i BDA Analog Capture"
donc il doit y avoir autre chose ...
Les répertoires de K!TV sont bien en lecture / écriture ? |
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molloc
Habitué(e)
Inscrit le: 14 Sep 2002
Messages: 2063
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Jeudi 26 Mars 2009 10:03:16 |
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pour la carte son tu devrais avoir ca :
moi j'ai ca ( je fonctionne sans le miser de k! )
ps : j'ai cette carte son |
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s'yeuter ma config :ICI
qui tente rien n'a rien , qui tente n'a pas forcement gain de cause |
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Cricri
Dévelo
Inscrit le: 06 Avr 2002
Messages: 11926
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Jeudi 26 Mars 2009 13:12:03 |
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| molloc a écrit: |
moi j'ai ca ( je fonctionne sans le miser de k! ) |
Comment ça c'est la misère K!TV !!???  |
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molloc
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Messages: 2063
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Jeudi 26 Mars 2009 14:50:03 |
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| Cricri a écrit: |
| molloc a écrit: |
moi j'ai ca ( je fonctionne sans le miser de k! ) |
Comment ça c'est la misère K!TV !!??? |
mes doigts ont fourchés  
bien vu  
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